********** 10/8/95 10:05 PM Forum CO R 13 : *SYSTEM* | Switching to Spirituality! Robin | Yes, my bday is the 1st day of fall, so I'm | partial. Michael Stevenson | :) Mike | Hello Robin | Hello, Mike! Michael Stevenson | HI Mike Charles D. | your birthday was in September, mine too. Mike | Hey!! I made it | Hi Michael, Charles! Robin | Yes, Sept. 23rd.... | And so glad to have you, Mike! :) Charles D. | Sept. 13 Mike | Oh I missed the B day! Happy Belated! Glad to | be here! Robin | Thank you! | Ok, do we want to dive right in and get | started?... | or chat a bit and wait for others to arrive? Mike | It's on you all, I'll go with the flow | Where is everyone from? | New York Robin | <==Raleigh, NC Charles D. | Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Michael Stevenson | Michael> Forestville, MD Robin | I'm considering a trip to NYC in the next few | weeks, Mike. :) Mike | Yea? Robin | Btw, how's Sharon and those beautiful | children?... Michael Stevenson | Michael> Near Washington, DC Robin | Yes, I come up and visit every so often to | get a taste of... Mike | Everyone is great! Robin | REAL civilization. LOL! Mike | Mike and Charles are close to NY | LOL Charles D. | 8 hours away. Robin | I wish I could live in NYC. Charles D. | I did for a short period of time when I was | younger. Mike | would you miss Raleigh? Michael Stevenson | I went to St. Aug for a year nudie | hello, what's up? Mike | My brother is at St. Aug | Charles what part of NY? Michael Stevenson | Great! Charles D. | Manhattan tonya | my sister is from NJ? Charles D. | This was 20years ago. tonya | I have never been to NY | is it nice Mike | Close! | Hi Tonya, Nudie | NJ is close | Charles been back to visit? Charles D. | Noeven though I have relatives there my | travels have taken me everywhere else. jerodia | hello everyone Mike | Hello Jerodia Charles D. | So Mike please tell us about your | youthministry. Robin | Mike, I wouldn't miss NC one bit in answer to | your earlier question ... Mike | Hehe Robin | Hi, jerodia, tonya! Mike | I love the Youth Ministry | Most exciting is when I team up with other | Youth Leaders and we "Take the Streets Back". Peace | :) Mike | Street Service, Wintessing,etc. Charles D. | Street ministry? Mike | Yes... | Big part of Youth Ministry... | Not all inside the Church but outside as | well... Charles D. | How often do you go out? Mike | Not as much as I would like. I am working on | it. Currently we go into the Streets on | special | Services with can be a few months apart. Robin | How do you conduct the street ministry | Mike?... Mike | I feel hunger out there. The Youth are | looking for something. Robin | What areas do you target? Charles D. | We are in the process of starting a | functional street ministry. Mike | This Ministry is special Robin... | I try to get... Charles D. | We are going after allages. Mike | as many other Youth Groups involved as | possible... | Once we just marched in the Borough of | Brooklyn... | Then gathered on the Steps of one of our | large Sanctuaries and begin to Minister in | Word | and Song... Charles D. | Sounds great. Mike | My first street service is which I ministered | in word was a powerfull... Charles D. | As a historian I imagine that you could tell | us a lot about the Azuza Street Revival. Mike | move of God. I sense I will be doing more of | this type. Charles yes I agree it is | important. Robin | How do your numbers in teens compare to those | of the smaller children?... Mike | I do not count myself as a Master Historian | only learning...:)... Robin | Do they come out w/out mom and dad to tell | them they have to? Mike | I have studied Azuza as it touched COGIC... | Here's how I have studied it (then I'll go to | Robins).. Robin | :) Mike | Bishop Charles Mason... Charles D. | What was born at Azuza AOG or COGIC Mike | COGIC Founder (Both may have been born | there)... went there as he was led... | I believe it was there the Name COGIC was | given to him. | I believe many,many great movements have... Sandra | Hello!!! Mike | there beginning there. Robin there are more | Teens I believe. I think more... Robin | Ooops, there you are, Sandra! Hi! Charles D. | Hi Sandra Sandra | Yes I am :) Mike | come both because of mom & dad and some | because they really have a hunger. Hi Sandra! Robin | Excellent, Mike! | My teenager only comes when I give her no | choice, my youngest comes... | to church just 'cause she likes to be there. | Charles D. | How long have you been a youth pastor Mike? Mike | Charles it has been just 2 years... | I was not really looking for it... Charles D. | Special place for you on my prayer list. Mike | It just happened. Robin | Mike, what is Azuza AOG? Mike | Azuza... | Is a place where in Histroy, many have | mentioned that they... | experienced a move of God... | With COGIC here are some dates... | The Year was... | 1907... | The man was Charles Mason, but not alone... | Him and one J.D. Yound and J. A. Jeter... | traveled to Los Angeles, CA... | That is where ... Mufasa | hello Mike | the Azusa St. happned | Mason went there because... | He wanted to get more of God... | There he received the Baptism of the Holy | Ghost with Signs following. | Hi Mufasa Robin | Ok, what do the initials "AOG" stand for? | Hi, Mufasa. :) Mufasa | Hello Charles D. | Assemblies Of God Mike | Assemblies of God Robin | Hello, LaVearn. :) Mufasa | What's the topic? Robin | Ok, just hadn't seen it in initials b4. Mike | Robin | Mufasa, our guest is Mike Holman, COGIC youth | minister... | and historian. Mufasa | ok | What kind of youth stuff are you doing Mike | Statistically COGIC is the second largest | Black Denomination second to the Baptist. | I am envolved in... Mufasa | and? Mike | Youth Training and Development, Witnessing | (Street), etc. Charles D. | But isn't COGIC the fastest growing Black | denomination? Mike | I want to keep... Mufasa | how do you keep your youth involved Mike | the Attention of the Youth through programs. | Yes Charles. Robin | Has it grown to replace the AME 2nd position, | Mike? Mike | Mufasa the attention span... | can be difficult to deal with... | I must bring REAL situations to them... | In my Sermons I will use Real life situations | that they can relate too... | Whether it be what happened to Queen Latifah | in Harlem or the next news... | topic, I try to bring reality to them. - Visitor | Hi Robin | That's _very_ important Mike!... Mike | Jesus Spoke in Parables of his time, I must | do the same for my time. Sandra | Hi James Mufasa | Sounds very good - Visitor | what is the topic here Charles D. | Mike we have notice that when ministering to | young people through the flow of the | lesson plan the kids have a way of letting | you know what they want to discuss. Mike | Good question on the AME not sure. Robin | What do you think of the modern "Black Bible | Chronicles"... | as a teaching aid?... Charles D. | Parables good analogy Mike. Mike | True Charles very True. Robin | I've heard some express that they feel it is | too modern.... Mike | They let you know when it get's "oh | boring...". Then the Challenge begins. Michael Stevenson | King James Robin | or blasphemous towards the Bible. - Visitor | Helps kids to identify with characters of the | Bible Mike | Have not heard of that on Robin. Robin | I think so too, James.... Michael Stevenson | Mike> Which translation does COGIC use? Robin | PK McCray is the author, Mike. I like them. | :) Mike | I am for visual Aids that assist. Sandra | It is also good for adults!! Robin | PK McCary, I mean. Mike | Good Question Michael... - Visitor | True Sandra Mike | I thought at first there was just one... Charles D. | We find that one of the difficulties in | teaching the youth is that while they learn | one thing | in church they go home & see another thing. | Has this been your experience at all Mike? Sandra | You can relate much better to something you | know about Michael Stevenson | Multiples? Mike | But I have seen my Bishop use many in his | message and it is powerful to compare! | I must try PK Robin. Michael Stevenson | ok Robin | :) Mike | Sandra cover all Ages I see. Mufasa | Sorry to change the topic Mike, but what do | you tell | your young people about the million man march? Mike | Yes Charles, this is true... - Visitor | What denomination are all of you ? Mike | That is our Job to portray the truth, this is | what hurts... Michael Stevenson | Good question. Does COGIC have a postiton? Mike | We try to build models, but when the Role | Model Fails, then what? Michael Stevenson | mega march Sandra | I am looking for a church to attend Robin | <==nondenominational Xtian. Michael Stevenson | me too - Visitor | Where are you from ? Mike | Mufasa, I have not even got to that topic. I | think it is important and something to look | at. | I have not heard the COGIC word on it. Mufasa | Visitor, non-dominational in Philly Robin | Mike, can you tell us about some prominent | women in COGIC history?... | Not that I'm biased or anything. Mufasa | Mike as christian man I think we should | discuss it Ernest | Sandra, are you here? Michael Stevenson | Mike> How could COGIC not have a postition? | The | march is on the 16th! Mike | Sandra there are papers that have listing, | such as the Chrisitian Times or Love Express | found on 43rd and 8th at Christian | Publications here in the City. | Robin, Yes many powerful women... Sandra | Well I will have to go and check them out Robin | I must check that out, Mike. :) Mike | Mother Mcclgothen... Sandra | I would like to find one near my home Mike | National Supervisor of Women, Mother Coffey... BRIAN & VELVET TUR | what's up everybody!? Mufasa | God bless you all, I'm gone. Mike | Mothe Lizzie Robinson... Peace | What is the unique power of cogic philosophy, | Mike? Sandra | bye Mufasa Mike | Powerful Evanelist like Maria Gardner in | Philly... Robin | Hello, Brian & Velvet. Conference in | progress: Topic - COGIC Mike | She said Jesse Jackson... Michael Stevenson | Mufasa what is your positon | ? Robin | Bye Mufasa. :) Mike | had to sit here down during one of her | messages she was so powerful BRIAN & VELVET TUR | What is COGIC Robin | Mike | Ernestine Cleveland another Powerhouse. | Hey Peace... Robin | Church of God in Christ. Mike | I think the power is inthe History.. | We pride ourselves in the History... | In November we travel to Memphis... Robin | That's wonderful, Mike! Often, churches | forget those powerful histories... Mike | Don't try to book a hotel downtown WITHOUT | going through COGIC... | We have them all reserved... Robin | it's good to know COGIC is keeping the past | alive. :) Sandra | :) Mike | Mason Temple our Mecca Headquarters.. | Last Message of Martin Luther King... | Bill Clinton addressed us there after taking | office. BRIAN & VELVET TUR | Bye Robin | Wow! Sandra | Do you have lots of Masons in COGIC? Mike | Yes Robin. Peace | let me put it another way... Sandra | Bye B&V Mike | I believe the Masons are different movement. | The Name Mason carries on as relatives of the | Founder are still here. | By Brian Peace | what is the central theme of COGIC philosophy | ? :) Sandra | OIC Charles D. | Mike is not the COGIC position on the Bible | one of inerrancy? Mike | We have our Statment of Faith, too long to | post, but... | basically states how we believe the Bible to | be th inspired and written word of God and.. | the position of the Father,Son and Holy Ghost. | We have a full Doctrine Book dealing with all | aspects. | Explain further Charles. Peace | thank you Mike... good night, Sweet Dreams | everyone :) Robin | Nite, Peace! :) Charles D. | In errancy is a theological term meaning that | the Bible is accepted as the inspired word | of God & is without error. Mike | Take care Peace! Sandra | Night Peace Mike | Yes Charles very true! Charles D. | This actually is what is written in the | Baptist Articles of Faith. LaVearn Ivey Creeks | Hello, Robin. I have reading for over 20 | minutes. I am a COGIC Children's | Church Coordinator and I have enjoyed | visiting the forum. I must go now. | I'm inexperienced at conferencing, in fact | this is my first. I'll be back. Mike | Charles I find many, many similarities with | other Faith. Robin | Glad to have you, LaVearn! Please do come | back!... Sandra | Good to have you La Vearn!! Robin | We also have message and library sections... Mike | Take care LaVearn! Charles D. | I'm trying to learn more about the roots or | origins of the Baptist denomination & i think | that we have a lot in common with COGIC. Robin | in which you may participate! :) Mike | I would agree Charles, there is a book... | The Biographical Dictionary of African | American, Holiness-Pentecostal 1880-1990.. Charles D. | Mike I'm not sure but i think that Mason was | originally a Baptist who became | disenchanted with those who wanted to take | the "fire" out of the worship experience. Mike | that list many Founding members. Bishop | Mason... Charles D. | I need this book for my library. Mike | from what I have studied originally was with | the Baptist... | This is where he was licensed... LaVearn Ivey Creeks | ATH0 Mike | in 1882 at Mt. Gale Missionary Baptist Chruch | in Presto, Arkansas. Mufasa | hello I'm back Robin | Are you having troubles, LaVearn? You can | type /exit to leave conference... Michael Stevenson | Hi Robin | or /off to exit the forum and go offline. Sandra | HI Michael Mike | Author is Sherry Sherrod DuPree.... Mufasa | Where is everyone? Mike | ISBN:0-9616056-0-x HardCover Mufasa | Mike you seem busy Mike | ISBN: 0-9616056-9-3 Paperback Robin | Good recommendation, Mike, thanx! Mike | a little | Hi Mike | Mi Mufasa Mufasa | Hello I got a question... Mike | Glad to assist Charles D. | I'm going book shopping tomorrow I'll order | this book, who is the publisher? Michael Stevenson | Mike>It is important for African American | children to Mufasa | let's deal with the march Michael Stevenson | the march??? Mike | Publisher... Mufasa | million man Michael Stevenson | Oh yes... | Mike is a youth leader. Mufasa | what's you position? Sandra | change the subject Michael Stevenson | Well for one, as far as African American | youth are | concerned they need guidance. Mufasa | why | sandra Mike | MIddle Atlantic Regional Press... | 100 Bryant Street, N.W. | Washinton, DC 20001. Michael Stevenson | I imagine they have many questions. | (the youth) | Who will lead them? Robin | Do you work w/youth, Michael? Michael Stevenson | Yes, but not in church mood indigo | each and every one of us must lead Michael Stevenson | is extra curricular activity Mike | The March is important, what is more | importatn is to know what the March | represents.. mood indigo | we can't wait for another MLK | or malcolm | or anyone Michael Stevenson | What is more important is to know GOD's will | in the | matter. | of the march mood indigo | who will lead..... I will lead | you will lead Mike | I have not read fully on it, but understand | it to be somewhat similar to the MLK March. mood indigo | and you | and you | ect... ect... ect. Robin | Ok, gotcha indigo. Michael Stevenson | There will be one big difference. Mike | True God's Will Michael Stevenson | MLK followed the Lord Jesus Mike | True Again Michael Stevenson | This march listens to another voice. | What fellowship hath God with mammon? mood indigo | the lord told all of us to think and act in | accordance to his will | not wait til he comes again Mike | So the main point is being led by the Spirit | and here are my direct thoughts... mood indigo | we are so afraid to ACT Mike | You must go with your convictions... Sandra | sen 23 OK, I will follow his lead then, Just | trying to keep the peace, | Rabbit :) Robin | Thanx, Miss Send. LOL! Mike | There are some that may not be led to | participate in this... Michael Stevenson | Well the church should definately give | leadership | You stated that COGIC was the second largest | black | denomination Mike | Other who are so led (now you have to know | the spirit - be filled)... | It's personal. Michael Stevenson | Seems they would speak to the issue. | but if not.... Charles D. | Sound answers Mike mood indigo | take responsibility people | TAKE.........responsibility Mike | I did not say the have not, I just have not | heard it and I think it would come via... | The Whole Truth Publication the official | Newsletter or Similar. Michael Stevenson | I respect what you are saying... Robin | Yes, leaves it up to the individual | conscience & God, correct, Mike? Michael Stevenson | it's just getting a little late Mufasa | Mood... dialogue is good Mike | Thanks Charles. mood indigo | yes Michael Stevenson | Oneness is Spirit is too. mood indigo | i agree Mike | Yes Robin.. | Right on the Head... mood indigo | but too much talk is like too much wine...... | right? Mike | God will say Mike I want you here... Michael Stevenson | The youth need guidance do they not? Mike | Robin I want you here... | Now MIke can't go where Robin went why??? God | didn't send him! Robin | LOL! Yes, that's often true.... Mufasa | I was really searching about if it would be | right to | attend the March. Yes about the wine Robin | but Robin feels blessed to have been lead to | work here.... | w/people like Mike. Mike | Yes the Youth need guidance. Michael Stevenson | African American children need guidance from | African American men. Why not the church? Mike | Here Here Robin Robin | :) mood indigo | well i don't agree at all with the march.... | i think its a great waste of time....... but | if it'll help someone Mufasa | I will be there Evangelizing mood indigo | great Michael Stevenson | great, GOD be with you. Sandra | Good for you Mufasa Robin | Does anyone have any COGIC related questions | for Mike?.... | He has to be to work in the morning, so we | should probably wrap it up. Mike | Seems an hour just FLEW by Michael Stevenson | Well, we'll have to wait for the letter to | arrive Mufasa | Hey mood, when we leave this conference I | want to | have a quick word with you ok Sandra | I am going to look in my area for a church to | learn more about the COGIC Robin | Yes, it did, Mike! It was a great hour! mood indigo | don't evangelize...... ACT go help someone | clean his yard..... or paint his | house.....ect ect. Charles D. | Mike I look forward to comparing notes with | you in the future, To God be the glory. Mike | Sandra I think I may have a book must look. I | know of one near 145th I think and Lex? Not | sure. mood indigo | yes Mufasa | Those things have no eternal value Sandra | Do you know of a church in the Bronx, Mike?? | sen 23 I see :) Mike | Yes Pastor Charles same here! mood indigo | oh yes they do Mufasa | what? mood indigo | you try making a child smile...... Robin | Charles, Mike is our Information Highway | as well as COGIC minister... mood indigo | you can never get rid of him Mike | Must get the address Sandra for you have | alisting. Robin | you should be able to look him up pretty | easily round here. mood indigo | now THAT'S evangelizing Mufasa | I got your point... Sandra | Thanks Mike, you can post to me later :) - Visitor | Can i possible get info relating to the | upcoming march/ Mufasa | but we must target that area on that day... Mike | Sure will! Michael Stevenson | sure Robin | Mike, I don't want to keep you.... Mufasa | we do those other things everyday. Robin | I would say we've reached the conclusion of | the COGIC portion... | of this Conference.... mood indigo | i beg to differ with you my friend Sandra | Thanks for the great information Mike, I have | learned alot :) - Visitor | hello everyone Robin | Thank you so much for sharing w/us! | Hi, Clay! Sandra | Hi Clay mood indigo | this is great!!! Mufasa | repspectfully mood indigo | i like the discourse Robin | Hang on a sec, and I'll point you to the info | we have. :) Mufasa | so do I mood indigo | i don't agree..... LOL Michael Stevenson | Mike> Would appreciate hearing the position | of | COGIC if it is produced. thanks - Visitor | Sorry, about my abrupt intervention Michael Stevenson | (on march) Mufasa | Mood I take you are saved? Robin | Thank you everyone for joining us! Sandra | Night All!!! Michael Stevenson | night Mufasa | Robin who are you? mood indigo | i saved myself - Visitor | i was given the impression that this march | was going to be | one of a spirual nature, and not political Robin | Mufasa, I am the Spirituality! Section | Leader. :) mood indigo | wrong!! - Visitor | wrpng about what Mufasa | My pleasure! | Robin Michael Stevenson | Bottom line is, Louis Farrakhan is opposeed | to | everthing that is CHRIST Mike | Michael Yes I would like to here the positon! Mufasa | Go Stevenson mood indigo | this march is designed to let those | (white)men know that we exist Robin | Pleased to meet you too, Mustafa! :) mood indigo | that we can garner a million men Michael Stevenson | How can the church possibly join itself to | such? Mufasa | I love the forum Rodney | Hello, all - Visitor | Farrakhan is not anti Christ Michael Stevenson | Are we living in the last days or something? | Yes, we are. Robin | Michael, I just uploaded a thread discussion | of this question... mood indigo | WHY do we need to let them know that Mufasa | I don't know that visitor Rodney | We are living in the last of the last days Robin | in the Spirituality Library.... Michael Stevenson | Great Robin! Robin | should be available w/in a day or two... Michael Stevenson | African American children will be blessed as | they Mike | Great Robin Michael Stevenson | so to the Spirit of God | not the world Robin | under the filename MMM&CH.THD or something | like that. :) Michael Stevenson | (sow that is:) Robin | Keywords MMM, MARCH, RELIGION, etc. - Visitor | AA children are already blessed Michael Stevenson | The baptist have declined Mufasa | Back to you brother Mood, who saved himself. | What | do you mean? - Visitor | no one can save himself Mufasa | that's right | Mood, please respond Michael Stevenson | The whole point of leadership is to speak | with a | clear voice to those (congregants) who are | listening | and wondering what is right. - Visitor | it seems that we are assuming the Creator's | responsibility mood indigo | it means that i don't worry about all the | doctrines and traditions of organized | religion....... i don't discard it, | but i think that is has stagnated the will of | God as it should br acted through man Mufasa | Mood, what about the word of God? mood indigo | we all too many times go to the ``GOOD BOOK'' | instead of going to God to do what must be | done Michael Stevenson | Therefore a minister of GOD will prayfully | consider | these things and not cause the Body of Christ | to | stumble. mood indigo | well ``the bible says'' ect ect ect. - Visitor | being saved alludes not to religion, but | rather to | spiritualism | no man can stagnate the will of God, how vain | you are mood indigo | i don't see too many ministers ``of God'' | these days Mufasa | Brother Mood It's all about Christ Michael Stevenson | Obviously. mood indigo | RIGHT!!!!!!!!! | thats the point Michael Stevenson | Jesus is Lord. Robin | It occurs to me that folks might like to | discuss the March as it relates... Charles D. | Modd what is the standard you are using to | determine if a ministry is of God or not? mood indigo | christ is not in the church Robin | to the Church.... mood indigo | i repeat he is N.O.T. in the church Mike | Each one should stand in theri convictions | and be fully persuaded in there own minds. Robin | Would anyone be interested in a conference on | this? Mufasa | Mood pause Michael Stevenson | Yes Robin Mufasa | Yes Robin - Visitor | yes, Clay Michael Stevenson | (good leadership!) Sandra | Well the March is next Monday Robin Robin | Sunday the 15th be ok, or will all be on | their way to DC already? mood indigo | yes robin Mufasa | Robin one of the sisiters blasted me for | bring it up. | She said I was rude!!! Michael Stevenson | Heaven help them mood indigo | who Robin | Mufasa, it just wasn't the topic of this | conference is all.... Sandra | I wasn't blasting you Mufasa Robin | be calm, all is well. :) Michael Stevenson | "If any man have not the spirit of Christ, | he is none of his." Sandra | We just were discussing something else at the | time - Visitor | to have the spirit of Christ is to have peace | of mind and | peace of heart mood indigo | where does the will of Christ reside Sandra | Besides I ASKED you not to be rude, didn't | say you were rude!!! Michael Stevenson | sure is! - Visitor | in your mind Mufasa | Sorry gang I'm new at this mood indigo | aha!!! Mike | I think every thing went very well! mood indigo | so he's not in a building then Mike | Mufasa we are ALL learning mood indigo | am i right Robin | That's so true, Mike.... - Visitor | the mind is your secret place, where your | thoughts bring | into reality the good or bad that you | experience Mufasa | thanks Mike Robin | And we were all new once. Mike | I must be gitting Glad to be here. Hope I | was helpful! Robin | I like that, Clay. :) Mufasa | Very Helpful mood indigo | so this mad race for the biggest newest | church and the best chior ect ect ect... is | just that madness right Charles D. | Grace & Peace Mike. Robin | Yes, Mike, it was a pleasure! Thank you!!! Sandra | Yes you were Mike :) Mufasa | Hey Robin... Michael Stevenson | Yes Mike. Mufasa | I have another Topic Robin | Yes, Mufasa? Michael Stevenson | ? Mufasa | are you ready Robin | Go right ahead, we're done w/the COGIC | portion. :) Mike | Thanks Mufasa, Grace & Peace Charles, Thanks | Robin & Sandra my SL Sisters , Thanks | MIke S.! Mufasa | Dead Religion Robin | Luv ya, Mike! Mike | ;;;;;;signing off;;;;;; Michael Stevenson | amen - Visitor | what!?!? ********** 10/8/95 11:29 PM Forum CO R 13 : *SYSTEM* | Switching to Spirituality! Robin | I think it's more like a multi-threaded | tapestry.... mood indigo | i can wash my hands religiously Robin | and I find much beauty in ALL the threads. Michael Stevenson | I want to thank Robin, and the African | American conf. | for allowing me to participate this evening. | Thank | you very much! Time to go for now.. GOD | bless. Mufasa | Christ and Him crucified is all that matters Mike | ;;;;;now I'm gone:;;;;;Luv ya Robin...::::